Editor’s Note: Coingrader Capsule occasionally runs series, such as “Crossover-, Under- and Out,” about submitting coins graded by one company to another company, either to enjoy a premium or to qualify the coin for set registries. Earlier we ran three posts about Certified Acceptance Corporation, a numismatic firm whose speciality is identifying high quality coins holdered by NGC and PCGS. This is the final installment, assessing the CAC experience and noting how the CAC sticker helped identify a fake PCGS holder and coin.
Read part one, part two, and part three of this article series.
To be sure, I had mixed feelings about CAC, believing that its green sticker was just another marketing gimmick in an already market-saturated numismatic world.
That world is changing rapidly, however, with major third-party grading companies seemingly more concerned about fees than service. (See my post “PCGS and NGC Explain Questionable Policies.”)
NGC recently raised its rates to match those of PCGS, which includes supplies (cardboard mailers and boxes) when it returns graded coins, and it will be interesting to see if NGC does this as well. (I predict that it won’t.) NGC also stopped grading crossovers in holders other than PCGS, requiring submitters to crack out coins and potentially damage them. Boo. Although I am a regular PCGS customer, I think that company has harmed the hobby by not awarding the plus designation on coins submitted through its economy level (taking a record 45+ days this month with some of my submissions).
The CAC experience reminded me of how PCGS and NGC used to operate: simply, with less marketing, and quickly, with fewer excuses.
I found the entire submission process to be exceedingly easy and its customer service, helpful and proactive.
During the course of my CAC analysis, I was bidding on a consignment offered by Culpepper Auction through the portal Proxibid.
I viewed the rare 1894 Morgan Dollar pictured here graded AU53 in a PCGS holder whose font was as suspicious as the grade. Look at the coin without the CAC sticker. It looks deep mirror mint state, not almost uncirculated.
I did some research and found the authentic coin, pictured above. Notice it has the same certification number as the fake … but with a CAC sticker.
That was the give-away. The Culpepper lot was a fake.
I wrote Proxibid and the auctioneer, with whom I had done good business in the past, explaining, “One never knows how these fake coins show up in an auction. But the existence of one in a consignment calls attention to the specter of more, and so I will be withdrawing all my bids today from your auction. In an article in the National Auctioneers Association magazine, I’ve advised auctioneers to create a consignment agreement form that informs sellers it is illegal knowingly to sell counterfeit coins and that if the auctioneer is informed of such, with credible evidence, that funds will be returned to the buyer. Because you are not including obverse and reverse photos of coins in your auctions—something I have been asking Proxibid to require, in the interest of authenticity and its corporate reputation—I cannot tell if your other PCGS or self-slabbed coins are fake.”
Initially, it took lots of effort to get Proxibid’s attention–something I am unaccustomed to, as the portal has always been ultra responsive to my requests and advice. After I sent several emails noting it was illegal knowingly to sell a fake, a Proxibid executive sent me this message:
“Michael, as we can’t be 100 percent positive its not a real coin we must give the auction company the benefit of the doubt. They are required to represent the coin accurately and are in a much better position to verify the coin. We take action if we see a trend in complaints for counterfeit items or in cases where its obviously a scam. We do reach out to educate but, in the end the auctioneer make the call in cases like this.”
To persuade Proxibid, I emailed the pictures here to top numismatist Ron Guth, president of PCGS CoinFacts, who responded: “The top coin is clearly in a fake holder. Though I cannot address the authenticity of the coin itself, I strongly suspect it is a fake as well.”
Thereafter things went swimmingly with both Proxibid and Culpepper Auction. The Proxibid exective who sent me the above message told me that the company was working behind the scenes with the auctioneer, based on my information. The auctioneer also removed the item from the online sale.
When he did, I reinstated my bids.
Upon my doing so, the auctioneer thanked me and promised in “future auctions to have multiple photos of the coins. We are a small family run business and time is never on our side, but I do appreciate the suggestion and recommendation.”
Culpepper Auction, in my view, is a responsive online seller with whom I plan to business again soon.
To its credit, Proxibid also sent me a note of thanks, which I appreciated.
But the experience also suggested why the CAC process and stickers might be valuable beyond affirming the grades of top-tier companies. Chinese counterfeits are inundating our market. I have no doubt that CAC can help confirm fake holders as well as coins, another useful service that no one to my knowledge has written about. (I had sent questions to that effect for company founder John Albanese to address, but he has not responded.) Nonetheless the sticker and the photo (from a previous Heritage sale) were solid proof that the 1894 was a fake.
In a numismatic world dominated by fees and fakes, I think CAC is providing an valid service by focusing on the coin, not the hype.
Hello Michael,
Quick question: What keeps the counterfeiters from faking the CAC sticker as well? Unfortunately, it almost seems that there is no safe way to buy coins these days.
-joe
Hi, Joe–
Actually, your question about fake stickers concerns lots of folks. If you do a Google search with the phrase “fake CAC stickers” you read several coin threads about the topic. I share all your concerns.
Thanks for commenting, too.
Michael
I like buying coins on Ebay that are in the NGC holders where you can verify the number on the NGC site and see the coin. That gives you the ability to see that it is the same coin.
Absolutely, Gerry. I use certification for both NGC and PCGS, not only to see the coin but also for the retail price. (I also use CoinFacts a la PCGS for recent auction prices.) Lots of good resources to check authenticity of coins.
Michael and Gerry,
Personally, I will only buy coins on eBay that are in either NGC or PCGS holders (occasionally ANACS as well). There are just too many risks otherwise, and I’m not an expert at spotting counterfeits like Michael. Whenever I have a coin graded (typically NGC), I always pay the extra $3 to have the image placed online for resale purposes.
Another primary reasons I purchase in the NGC or PCGS holders is that a third party has graded the coin, so I have some idea of what I am getting. I learned my lesson the hard way when I purchased a raw coin that the seller neglected to mention was scratched on the front (it didn’t show up or he bait and switched). A scratch on a coin should certainly showed up in the coin’s grade. Fortunately, the coin I purchased with the scratch was a modern gold spouse a few years back that didn’t go for much over bullion price at the time. Just reselling it for gold value should get me a couple hundreds dollars above the purchase cost. Either way, the lesson was learned…
Thanks for the article.
-joe
Thanks for writing, Joe. I feel as you do on all counts. I purchase most of my coins on Proxibid. (See my new blog, http://www.proxibid.wordpress.com.) I only patronize a few auctioneers and usually purchase coins by NGC, PCGS and ANACS. I appreciate your adding your voice to this topic. Michael
Thanks for the article. I’ve enjoyed the series. I just started collecting a few years ago. I do buy many coins off Ebay that aren’t professionally graded, but try to buy them from just a few of the same sellers. One seller advertises in some coin magazines. I suppose it would be wise to randomly have some of them graded to see what they come back as.
Thanks, Mike. I’m glad you found this series helpful. We not only express our opinion here but also go through all the processes to be sure to give our viewers the best possible advice. It’s always good practice to buy from trusted sellers, whether on eBay or other auction portals. With appreciation, Michael
If they can fake coins, they can also fake slabs, stickers, whatever. We all need to learn more about the real coins, we have to know more information, how they were made, the differences in dies, errors, mint marks etc… If you want to buy a slabbed coin, do it, but do not buy the slab buy the coin, look the coin clearly, if pictures are not detailed enough just do not buy it. This is the only way to fight it, know what you are buying.
Thanks, rt747, for sharing sound advice. I use CoinFacts for information on dies, errors, etc., and have identified counterfeits by noting differences, as you recommend.